Monday, July 28, 2008

RENEWED INTEREST IN OUR CARROLL GENEALOGY

Well, gee, aren’t hand-knitted sox just what you expected to see on my genealogy blog? Have got to be awake more often when I post.

Anyway to get back on track, here some genealogy!

Received an e-mail from Cousin Kevin this week that has prompted me to post, and I have to say it’s about time I did.

Kevin has given his permission to post his e-mail so that I may respond here, via my blog, to give all our SHEEHAN/CARROLL cousins can participate in this renewed interest.

Portions of Kevin’s e-mail messages:

" . . . . . . . . . . .You probably have seen this information but I will send it along just in case something is new or useful. If we can find a town or village that our ancestors are from in Ireland I will go there and do what ever research is feasible . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . I have spent many hours searching for family connections on line, looking at a great variety of sites, from vital records to passenger lists to random searches, I have found Carrolls and Sheehans in nearly every county in Ireland and over half the world. Unfortunately my searches have not been systematic, I lack the knowledge to organize and keep track of sites and searches . . . . . . .
. . . . . I was intrigued to find Carrolls in Iowa at about the same time as our ancestors, there must be some record that lists their town or village of origin. I do want to go back to Ireland with this knowledge to reclaim our rightful position or at least know where our blood is from. The O'Carrolls were high Kings in ancient Ireland, we must share some of that blood, in Ireland there was a merger of social classes due to the English persecution. Most Irish Catholics share the blood of Kings and peasants. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . .I hope we find more information soon. If I had the funds, I would search every parish in Ireland until I found our ancestors. While traveling the border area of West Cork and Kerry I have had the strongest sense that I was very near that place that I have been searching for. This first happened in 1970 and then again in 2007. I knew the back roads while traveling at night even though I had never been there and I am not usually gifted with a great sense of direction. My sense of blood and spirit are strong and Ireland has drawn me all my life.
I think we we are close to finding the missing information. . . . ."

Cousin Kevin’s current interest in the point of emigration of Martin CARROLL and wife Margaret so that we can better get an idea from which County in Ireland our CARROLL and SHEEHAN lines originate.
My search began by confirming the link from our parents to grandparents to our great-grandparents to establish a firm and confirmed connection. As you may already know I accomplished by searching as many public documents, church documents, etc., as was possible. Some of the ways I accomplished this:
-The Internet,
-written correspondence,
-hiring of several genealogists,
-in-person visits to Historic and Genealogical Society’s libraries, as well as pubic libraries,
-viewed LDS Family History Library records,
-in-person visits to known family neighborhoods and gravesites,
-telephone conversations fellow CARROLL/SHEEHAN descendants.

Kevin forwarded the following solid suggestions he received from a fellow CARROLL surname genealogist:

KFP wrote: ". . . . . . . I think you are asking me how to find out where your Carrolls originated from in Ireland, correct?
First off - have you contacted all relatives whether you know them or not, the older the better, for any old info./ pictures/ records on your Carrolls? - they may have that one clue you need.
Do you have. . . . . . .
-Obits for Martin and wife Margaret?
-Were their children also born in Ireland and who did the girls marry? The obits for this family (including their children) may indicate where they were born,
- death certificates usually list where they were born.
-Sometimes the cemetery records will have info. on where they are from too.
-I looked Martin up on the original census records that ancestry has and I also looked at genweb
-Naturalization Index and Declaration of Intent.
-Tax records
-Probate Records - Wills - Martin Carroll may have left a will. . . . . . ."

During my years of researching I’ve taken advantage all of KFPs suggestions has made and have come up with so many answers and at the same time a multitude more questions. [This is the way of genealogy.]
However, new researchers may uncover just the info we need to further our story.
Kevin, you say that every County has both SHEEHANs and CARROLLs listed as inhabitants, Using a valuable research tool - The Householder’s Index - I’ve found that to be true even on Parish levels [both church and civil]. Nearly impossible to vector our surname to any one County, let alone Parish, with our current knowledge.
Let me get this much posted before so that I may gather some data to blog that may be of interest.

BROTHERS, COUSINS, I VALUE YOUR COMMENTS SO FEEL FREE TO POST YOUR COMMENTS TO MY BLOG SO THAT WE ALL CAN SHARE OUR THOUGHTS ON THIS SUBJECT.

Wednesday, July 16, 2008

DNA and interesting marriage record

Seems like DNA is the newest avenue in genealogy. Though I'm not certain just how it will paly out in our[genealogists] search. Any database that connect related descendants will have to inter-act with other database since there are many doing the same thing independent of one another. Well, perhaps some day it will all be compiled so that will be only one place to search for connections.

Was online in the middle of the night and did a little searching in Cook Co [IL] records and came up with a marriage record for a Paul A Helwick who married a Elsie A McGinty in 1934. Now I do know that the surname Helwick in Cook Co is not common. In fact, in all my research I've found only one - that is Paul Alfred Helwick [1892-1945] son of Karl and Karrie Helwick my great-grandparents. At the time of his death Paul's wife is listed as Marie - Paul's military papers state in 1930 his closest living relative is his sister. Try as I might I can not get 'Marie' from Elsie A.

Monday, May 12, 2008

Headstone Photos

I know I have more shots of Joe Sheehan's headstone. I believe at the time they were taken with my 35mm camera rather than a digital so I'll have to scan the additional photos and post them. Perhaps they view with more detail, if you're interested.

Sunday, May 4, 2008

Joseph Carroll Sheehan

Joseph Sheehan
U S ArmyVeteran
S Sgt C0 A 8 Engrs
Birth: August 26 1884
Death: December 10 1940
Interment: Buried: Sec 7 Site 29A
Wood National Cemetery
Service Dates:
1916-Jun-06 to 1919-Oct-12
1919-Oct-13 to 1920-Oct-02
Serial/Service #: 1095837 -
Rank/Grade: Sgt
Inducted at Jefferson Barricks, Missouri
Assignments: Co "A" 8th Engrs; Co "A" 1st Bn Mounted Engrs
Decorations & Awards: Mexican Service Badge
Separated at Fort Bliss, Texas
Last known- address: Chicago, IL 863 N. Dearborn St

1940-Dec-10 Downey Veterans Administration Hospital Lake Co Illinois
Inventory Report of Personally Owned Effects
2 belts
1 cap
1 overcoat
2 coats
4 drawers
9 handerkerchiefs
1 hat
6 ties
5 shirts
1 pr shoes
1 pr slippers
17 pr socks
1 suspenders
4 trousers
3 unionsuits
1 vest
additional effects deposited or stored:
1 ea Chain, belt, for watch;
1 ea watch, Walth__, yellow metal, case #2 550 078, works #E402 795 3
Cash: noneOn deposit:
Funds - Personal source $-0, Government $110.08

As this information was obtain through government records/reports, there are conflicting data. Generally, this is some information about my grandfather, Joseph Sheehan

Saturday, April 26, 2008

Edel/Ethel 1930 and 1945

1930 Federal Census CA Kings Armona Twp
THORNE,
Edward D, hh, age 37, first married at age 28; CA-NY-IL; farmer - farm; Veteran WW
Ethel, wife, age 30, first married at age 22; IL-NOR-NOR;
Douglass, son, age 1 1/12; CA-CA-IL
1945 December 28 Chicago Tribune Friday
page 10
HELWICK, Paul A. Helwick, Dec. 26, 1945, late of 4826 Sheridan road,
beloved husband of Marie,
fond brother of Josephine Bowron, Ethel Thorne, Charles Helwick and the late Marie McCarthy.
Funeral Friday 2:30 p.m., at chapel, 5149-51 N. Ashland avenue, at Foster.
Interment Elmwood.
Member of North Shore post, No. 21, American Legion. Longbeach 5147

Monday, April 7, 2008

Edel, re-visited

1910 Federal Census IL Cook Co Chicago
2132 North 40th Ave., [appears to be a duplex]
HELWICK,
Charles M., 62 ys, married 35 ys, Nor Nor Nor, 1882 yr immigrated, Naturalized, Fish packer Wholesale grocer for Wages, Owns Mortgaged Home.
Karey, 56 ys, married 35 ys, 10 children/6 living, Nor Nor Nor, 1882 ys immigrated.
Charles S., 24 ys, single, IL Nor Nor, Waiter Refreshment store.
Paul A., 17 ys, single, IL Nor Nor, Clerk Clothing store.
Roy O., 15 ys, single, IL Nor Nor, Errand boy Factory.
Ethel Th., 10 ys, IL Nor Nor.
- - -
Just seven years later this obit appeared:
1917-Aug-01 Chicago Daily News Wednesday page 20
HELWICK -Carrie (nee Anderson), beloved wife of Carl N., fond mother of Charles, Mrs. Mary Murphy, Mrs. Josephine Brennan, Paul and Ethel.
Funeral Friday Aug. 3 at 1 p.m. from her late residence 3810 W. Fullerton Ave., autos to Mount Olive.
For Seats call Canal 1344.
Oakland (Cal.) papers please copy.(Ref: Oakland (Cal.) papers please copy.

[My notes written at the time I acquired this obit:
. . . . of the five children listed those probably not in California are Josephine, Paul, Mary and most likely not 18 yr old Ethel. . . . .
Well, thank goodness I didn't assume this guess was the answer because as it turns out Edel/Ethel was in California at the time of her mother's death. Also, as you can see Roy Ole had passed away during the interim.]

Wednesday, April 2, 2008

Edel Helwick

Edel, the younger sister to my grandmother Josephine Sofia Helwick Sheehan Brennan Bowron and the youngest of ten children of Karl and Karen, was born in 1899 in Chicago. She lived the majority of her life in Santa Cruz County, California where she died in the fall of 1976.

Some of the notes from my research of her life follows:

1900
[an e-mail from Cousin Harald Lorentzen dated 02-Nov-96 [a partial quote] . . . . . .
"I do not know if I told you that I found your family in the church book for the Hauge church in Chicago. This was in the year 1900 they went out of the church after some years.The church book said that the family was:
Karl M Helwich born February 17, 1848
Karen S Helwich born September 18, 1853
Karl S Helwich born August 10, 1885
Marie E Helwich born January 6, 1888
Josephine Helwich born May 29, 1890
Paul A Helwich born July 29, 1892
Ole Le Roy Helwich born December 18, 1896
Edel Therese Helwich born September 19, 1899"

My research of the Federal census reveal this info:
1900 Federal Census IL Cook Co Chicago
1038 Ballou
HELWICK, Carl, Feb. 1846, 52 ys,
married 25 ys, Nor Nor Nor [this refers to Karl's birth and his Father's and his Mother's birth],
1887 yr immigrated, 13 ys in this country,Naturalized, Occup: Weigher
Carrie, Sep. 1853, 46 ys,
married 25 ys, Nor Nor Nor {refers of Carrie's birth as well as her Father and Mother],
1887 ys immigrated, 13 ys in this country.10 children/6 living [this reveals that she had ten children with 6 children now living,
Charles, Aug. 1885, 14 ys, single, Chicago Nor Nor, Office boy.
Marie, Jan. 1888, 12 ys, Chicago Nor Nor, At school.
Josephine, May 1890, 10 ys, Chicago Nor Nor, At school.
Paul, Jul. 1892, 7 ys, Chicago Nor Nor, At school.
Roy, Dec. 1894, 5 ys, Chicago Nor Nor.
Ethel Th., Sep. 1899, 8/12 ys [8/12 means Ethel was 8 months old at the time of the census], Chicago Nor Nor

Just a glimpse of my research notes. All the information I've compiled have been gleaned from public records, as well as church records, as the knowledge of my father's family was was scant to say the least. My dad's generation was not a sharing lot and since my father has passed away prior to my earnest interest in genealogy all that information was lost for all time.
Luckily, a copy of a note hand written by Josephine. I assume for her daughters Eleanor and Virginia, was sent to me by my Aunt Virginia just prior to her passing. This note was the basis for my research in Norway.

More to come - - - - -